My Seborrheic Dermatitis Skin Regimen

A few people have inquired about my current seborrheic dermatitis skin regimen. If you look at my site I have not updated in a while. This is due to a busy time in life and the fact that I have finally stopped actively seeking solutions for my seborrheic dermatitis.

The solution to seborrheic dermatitis below has been working for me, so I will leave it here for everyone.
Basically my current method of Seborrhoeic Dermatitis it is quite simple and straight forward.

My regimen has changed significantly, my new regimen can be found here: My Seborrheic Dermatitis Regimen 2.0

These are the main points of my regimen:

  • Stopped using all regular anti dandruff shampoos
    • currently wash my hair with some non foaming whole foods shampoo (took about a week to adjust).
  • Each morning, first thing in the morning a drink a bit of water followed by a cup of water with one teaspoon of pure L-Glutamine powder – see edit below.
    • after consuming the glutamine I typically wait at least 20-30 minutes before eating.
    • not sure, but I think this has been a big part of the solution
  • Every single night (unless I am really, really lazy) I cleanse with Cetaphil Restoraderm Cleanser, let skin somewhat dry and apply Cetaphil Resoraderm Lotion.
    • I got these two as samples from a random doctor visit, she said she has an issue with seb derm in the past and these helped
    • They work really well for me and the lotion especially knocks out all redness
    • Before I’ve tried many commercial and holistic products and for me nothing controlled the redness as good as this
    • Since my first sample I went to see the same lady and she gave me enough sample packs to last till next year 🙂 (my guess is you can get sample packs from many places around your location)
    • If i miss a day things are okay, I personally get scared just because things used to be so bad (this also goes for morning glutamine) and I’m afraid of my results reversing
  • Use 100% cotton cover for my pillow
  • Apply topical iodine to my wrists every couple days (someone explained to me that iodine is the reason ocean and sea water helps) – see edit below.
    • My theory is that applied topically it might soak into my skin and circulate through the body
    • It’s hard to say what exact effect it has had, but it helped me before I started using the glutamine and Cetaphil above.
  • Eat lots of protein mainly from Chicken and Fish

Maybe I don’t need to cleanse anymore. However, I am really scared to go back to having seborrheic dermatitis so I just stick with it.

So that’s about it. My skin has been behaving quite well. No crust, or redness. Sometimes the nasal folds get a little tingly and a tiny bit red, but it does not go further than that. A tiny flake might also come from the inside of nasal fold, but I’ve seen this on many normal people and it is never really noticeable, so it does not bother me.

If you end up trying my method please let me know how it works for you. Would be interesting to see if you get the same results.

EDIT 2014/09/22:

I’ve actually stopped applying the iodine as I eat lots of fish now. Don’t really think I need it anymore.

EDIT 2015/02/11:

I’ve actually stopped taking glutamine about a month or two ago. I’m not really a fan of supplements and I suspected I had taken it long enough. Overall I went through about 1000g of it (about 5-6 months of daily use), so maybe it patched things up well enough. Still have a second tub, so if anything changes I’ll leave another update.

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  1. john says:

    Hey Michael. I have severe SD and have been trying everything. Right now im currently soaking my face 2-3 times a day in warm sea salt water, which tames but throughout the day it does flare up and make my face very dry. Was curious why you stopped ingesting the sea salt? Also have you ever tried anything else? Apple cider vinegar, specific oils. i’ve heard of people swallowing whole pieces of garlic. Appreciate any feedback.

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  2. Hi John,
    I’ve tried an immense amount of things to try and control SD. Everything from Apple Cider Vinegar, to Grapefruit Seed Extract (external/internal), Clay Masks, Honey Masks, MSM, Biotin, diets, cleanses, fasting. Pretty much everything that you can find online I’ve tried it. I’m even putting together a post that outlines every single thing that I’ve tried (will be a huge post). However, my current regimen has been working for the longest and it’s been quite bulletproof so far.

    The biggest thing I recommend against is strong anti-fungals. Seems like they just burn the intestines and cause things to worsen.
    If you have Skype, message me your ID (I wont make the comment public) and I can try to walk you through each step of my process and regimen.

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  3. jina says:

    Thnx for your thoughtful comments!
    I read this info quite a few days ago but read it one more time as you linked it.
    I read comments as this morning my skin feels so hot and redness gets severe after soaking dead sea salt water. It feels like sun burn. Also dryness was so strong that i applied moisturizer a little bit. Although it calms down little by little now but i think sea salt water is harsh to my skin. My skin got worse after trying it 5 days. Some says patience is needed as it can be worse at first but im worried.
    Should i give it a try for one week more or quit?
    Or just doing once a day?(night)

    I think cetaphil would be great to me so i will give it a try.
    I once tried cetaphil gentle skin cleanser but that was awful as it made so many pimples.
    But i think restoraderm line will be different.
    I used organic cleanser,skin and cream before using sea salt water and that improved my
    Sd so much but didn’t cure it entirely. My redness still presents.

    Also i will try l-glutamine. But worried about it a little bit as some said it made sd worse.

    Anyway do you know astaxanthin and tumeric are good in curing sd?
    I read it in the internet. They are anti oxidants.

    And do you recommend probiotics?
    People say immune system is important and some’s improved very much after taking it.

    Also i tried candida test at home(saliva in glass of water) and it seems like i had many candidas. Leaky gut, maybe. I kept my diet healthy for 1 yr and it helped me a lot. I didnt quit bad things entirely but consumed it twice or third a week although didnt quit brown rice.
    Do you think quitting them entirely is the answer??

    Thanks for reading this long comment.

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  4. Haven’t heard of astaxanthin, but have tried tumeric. Went about two-three weeks taking a tablespoon with some almond milk.
    Personally the tumeric didn’t have any affect on me. However I have a friend that uses it for his sport injury and it seems to work well for his inflammation.
    It’s quite gritty and unpleasant to take as a supplement. Sometimes I still add it to fried onions, but that’s about it.

    As far as anti-oxidants and supplements go. I’ve tried tons based on recommendations found online.
    N-acetyl-l-cysteine, resveratrol, quercetin, high dose vitamin c (in many different forms), colostrum, msm, zinc l-carnosine, regular zinc, vitamin d, plus tons of others.
    Honestly in about 3-4 years I spent a ton of money trying all the different supplements people online recommended.
    In the end nothing really had any long term effects on the seboorrheic dermatitis and now I got a ton of supplements laying around that will soon expire.

    My experience with practically every single treatment option that I tried was the same. If I didn’t see results and positive changes from the first 1-2 times, they never came later on. For example I used aloe vera for about 2 weeks and it made my seborrheic dermatitis extremely inflamed and red. However, I was convinced by stuff I read online that it should heal it and that if I kept at it everything will go away. The aloe vera never ended up working for me and instead it forced me to go school and work with a blistering red face.

    Another takeaway from all my experimentation is that much of the time less was more. For example too much sea salt (too alkaline) or too much apple cider vinegar (too acidic) would burn and damage the effected skin. This resulting damage would make the skin more prone to bacterial penetration and also actually be the cause of much of the inflammation. As a result more damage would be done than the benefits gained. Using milder solutions, taking things slowly (allowing the skin to adjust) and being gentle with the skin seemed to produce the best results.

    For probiotics I tried a bunch of different store bought stuff (let me know if you would like a list) and experimented with home-made.
    The biggest effect was that they made me go to the wash-room frequently. As for the seborrheic dermatitis it was still coming and going on it’s own schedule.

    Two that stood out where biotin which gave me strange rashes all over my body and caprylic acid which made seborrheic dermatitis vanish completely for about a month.
    Not sure if the caprylic acid was just a coincidence or it actually did something internally. After it’s initial success it never did anything again.

    In regards to candida and all the diets. My opinion is that a lot of it is misinformation written by uneducated people. If you believe you have candidadis you should be able to get simple testing at any local medical facility.
    To be honest though, for while this whole theory drove me nuts. I had all of kinds of scary thoughts about deep fungal infection or something of the sort. At one point I attempted to cut carbohydrates completely, but this just made me weak and my mind was always in a foggy state. Honestly I think all of this misinformation serves to make seborrheic dermatitis as it spikes stress and the bloods cortisone levels. Lots of the stuff written out their is quite scary and can easily put you in a constant state of tension, fear and anxiety.

    H pylori is much more common than candida. When I went to take full medicals they actually found that I had h pylori and I was given some antibiotics for it.
    At that time I was quite hesitant to take the antibiotics since so many forums say that antibiotic use is one of the initial causes of seborrheic dermatitis. However, in the end I took the antibiotics, got rid of h pylori, but this didn’t have any effect on the seborrheic dermatitis.

    My biggest progress actually came when I read about leaky gut in some research papers (exact reason I started supplementing with l-glutamine).
    At the same time I took a moment to reflect on the past and remember how things were before the seborrheic dermatitis started effecting my life.
    I decided to completely stop browsing the internet for solutions suggested by random people, stopped reading forums, stopped searching online in general.
    Instead I enrolled in a nutrition course through Coursera and re-learned the fundamental basics of modern nutrition.

    Returned my diet to normal and the only two supplement I would take were l-glutamine and vitamin c.
    At this point my seborrheic dermatitis became much less aggressive and the areas that remained were eye-brows, ears, nose and scalp.
    Then completely by chance I was taking my little brother to his paediatrician and the doctor noticed my flakes. She said it looked very similar to some eczema she had and that the Restoraderm worked well for her. When I was leaving she gave me a whole bag of different moisturiser and cleanser samples (a few of which were the Restoraderm). A few weeks went by and I didn’t touch the bag of samples since my skin was mostly doing well (also I previously tried so many different cleansers and moisturisers that I really had lost hope for them).
    Then one day that I had a bit of redness that appeared I decided to give it a try. It ended up working very well and since then it’s been my go to cleanser.

    Hope this answered some of the questions you had.
    Wish you all the best and hope you find something that finally works for you.

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  5. jina says:

    Thnx then i don’t have to control my diet too harshly, right?
    Thanks for ur comments!
    After trying l-glutamine and cetaphil,
    I’ll let you know how’s it going.
    Thank u!

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  6. Everyone is different. If your concerned about candida or food sensitivities the best thing to do is get tested.

    For me all the diet restrictions and modifications seem to have resulted in unnecessary stress. Currently I eat mostly anything, except dairy (which I’m not really a fan of anyway).

    Too much fatty foods especially mixed with lots of carbs seem to get the skin tingling though.

    Never found the exact connection, but I do believe that the seborrheic dermatitis is somehow linked to digestion. Something along the lines of fat not being properly assimilated and causing all sorts of immune responses.

    On the few occasion I attempted water fasting my skin would normalize completely. At about the second/third day even the worse of it would heal.

    All the best.

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  7. jina says:

    Yesterday night i tried honey cleanse wanting to soothe my skin.
    It felt like boiled water+raw honey was a little bit thick but i just put it on my face. I couldn’t rub it as it was so thick.
    Just put it on and washed it after 1 min.
    Tzone and place near nose became red(worst of all moment)
    I thought it would relieve overnight but it didn’t.
    Redness is the worst and my face feels hot.
    Does this mean honey is not suitable for me,
    Or bcuz it was so thick?(maybe i put water so little)
    I wanted to try it in the morning but it could be even worse so i just washed my face with kiehl calendula cleanser(what i used for one week before)

    Should i quit honey too?

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  8. Hi Ladies and Gentlemen.

    I actually came across this blog because I suffer from SD myself. However I didnt come here for a solution but because I was amazed at the results that dead sea salt had on me, so I decided to look around online to see what others have experienced, in a way to convince myself that this isnt a temporary treatment.

    I have tried a billion things in the past (just like michael). But this seems to be doing it for me.

    I dont just suffer from SD but also from bad eczema . Both combined is a very distressing exoerience.

    in the past two weeks I have stuck with dead sea salt called “magik” (bought from holland and barratts) and aveeno eczema therapy moisturiser. That was it.

    My method. I would use a bucket and put very hot water and then pour ALOT of the sea salt. I would then mix it and taste it to make sure its very concentrated. I then will use a cloth to soak it in the solution then slowly place it over my face very slowly and lay down for 5-7 minutes. Whenever I feel the cloth getting cooler, I just soak it again in the solution. I spend about 20 to 25 minutes repeating this method. Its very painful but I just think of the relief that follows. I’ll then rinse my face with luke warm water under the shower for 10 minutes. Straight after ill pat dry my face and apply the aveeno.

    I repeat this method 2 -3 times a week before I sleep. It has been amazing. The comvination of the cream and the salt has been so good that my skin feels normal. I am praying that this carries on so that my skin heals. It has been the most promising method I have uswd within the 4 years I have seeked relief. I also want to try it with hamilayan salt. Ive never drank a salt solution but will deffo start that tomorrow.

    Please dont underestimate my situation with SD …it is worse than most people I have seen with SD. the method my seem basic and obvious but it has been great.

    Am tired at this very moment to cover everythingI want to say but please ask any questions if u have any.

    thanks

    mo

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  9. Michael.

    your very welcome.

    I think this is a link sent from God himself. I cannot believe someone has found relief and a cure from the methid I strongly believe…read this …I couldnt have written it better. Its EXACTLY what I do/use (the aveeno etc). I believe that this is a cure. There is hope people!

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  10. Hi Michael,

    I will find out the name of the dead sea salt I tried. Of course everyone is different but to be honest the sea salt I was using didnt work for me in the beginning and I was just using it for desperate days. There was an occurance were I poured too much of it on a small bucket of hot boiling water, I knew thatit was too much for the little water I had in the bucket but I was so desperate I didnt care. I soaked a cotton cloth and placed it on my face gently pressing without moving the cloth…it hurt like hell! But I didnt care. The next morning I felt a huge difference and the parts that were so bad and had no hope of feeling soft have softened without any itching or tightness…I will find out the exact name of the dead sea salt and will let u know…

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  11. Hi Mo,
    Yeah, i heard similar experiences from others online (intense treatment approaches that pay off).

    For me it felt like there could be a possibility of damaging my skin. This made me very cautious and I would give up quickly if my skin experienced any intense reactions. For example my sea salt treatments were always very gentle.

    Look forward to hearing which brand of dead sea salt you used. The one I bought was the Minera one (believe it was cited in that curezone post). Also have you tried actual sea/ocean water? I found it was even more effective for me.

    Beat of Luck.

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  12. darryl says:

    Hey Michael, I’m Darryl and I just turned 30. And I have been diagnosed with SD. I’ve nevrr experience anykind of allergic reactions or skin conditions in my life. Tho exsema and psoriasis both run in my family. 4 months ago I tried a hair fertilizer cream for a few months and it irritated my scalp and started the SD. Ever since I’ve noticed a correlation between irritation and inflammation and my hair fallin out which has been happening ever since. The GP just told me to use selsum blue and won’t refer me a dermatologist cuz she so sure she knows SD so well. I had to beg her for some kentonazole 2%. My cousin, with SD, just sent me a bottle of selsum 2.5 and the flakes are minimal but my scalp is so dry and itchy! And I haven’t out anything but on my head for the last month cuz the GP recommend me not to. Can you please give me some advice. Btw in a black male with course hair so I have to use somthin to keep my scalp moisterized and a pomade to hold style my hair. Thank you and it’s most appreciated.

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  13. Hi Darryl,
    Currently the Restoraderm has still been working well for me. Haven’t had any significant seborrheic dermatitis on the face for over 6 months. Also I’ve stopped supplementing with L-Glutamine as outlined in the post. Wanted to stop supplementing with it for a while as I don’t enjoy supplements very much.

    For my hair (which had pretty intense dandruff) I’m still using this moisturising shampoo . Has been working well for me. When I feel the dandruff starting up I just wash thoroughly with the shampoo and it seems to balance out. When I was using anti-dandruff shampoos previously they seemed to work by nuking the scalp and killing everything there. The moisturising shampoo approach has been quite different, it seems to balance the oiliness quite well and the dandruff never get’s a chance to build up. Not sure how this would work for you. I’ve got have regular short blonde caucasian hair. In conversation with Jina I outlined quite a bit of my whole experience so far.

    Let me know if you have any updates or questions.

    Best of Lucky Darryl

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  14. darryl says:

    Thanks gent, I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. I’ll def get these products you mention. Especially the glutamine. I used to take it b4 the sd anyway. How often do you wash your hair with the shampoo and can I find it at a whole foods store or just online? And do you use any oil to moisturize your scalp or just the shampoo? And again thanks for your help.

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  15. Hi Darryl,
    Typically I shampoo almost everyday just because I exercise regularly and usually use styling gel (both of which require washing).

    As far as oils, I haven’t been using any oils on my hair, strictly just the shampoo (no conditioner or anything either). In my whole experience with seborrheic dermatitis oils always seemed to make it worse. Most research papers I looked at typically demonstrated that oils feed the bacteria which is believed to cause the seborrheic dermatitis.

    In terms of availability, my guess would be that it is available at Whole Foods and many others. I’ve seen it for sale in two of the most popular supermarkets here in Canada (Superstore and Save on Foods both had it in the natural section).

    Best of Luck in 2015 :slight_smile:

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  16. darryl says:

    Thanks Michael its appreciated. I recently went to the derm and he gave me some nizoral shampoo and luconazole. And a steroid for the face. I feel like they’re effective but are too hard for my skin. Yet and still I’m still having flaking and even a few sensitive patches that still are going away. My hair is still thinning and kinda got me depressed. Just trying to shake It off. This is so frustrating. On the days I don’t use the nizoral shampoo, I use the shampoo you recommend with a natural conditioner but i find even the oil on there kind off feeds the dandruff maybe. It’s just a lot of trial n error I guess. Thinkin of trying acv with baking soda and see what that does. Thanks as always.

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  17. Michael/Mo,

    I tried the Sea Salt in a basin with water, each nite I would wash it up onto ,my face and pat dry, to be honest it stung like crazy and didn’t do any good, same if I go to the beach and swim when I have a break out, it makes it worse, but if I am clear it doesn’t sting…Im sure its different strokes for different folks.

    Mark

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  18. Hi Michael. I am feeling unbelievably low as I am currently suffering the worst outbreak of seborrheic dermatitis I’ve ever had. I now have patches of dermatitis all over my body and cannot go out as my red, inflamed and itchy scalp and face draws too many unwelcome looks and comments. I read your post sometime ago and was initially getting good results with the iodine and l-glutamine. I made the mistake of not taking the products with me when I went to stay with a friend, and consuming lots of sugar (I also had good results with cutting out gluten/sugar in the past) My whole face was so inflamed that I ended up in a and e. I saw a fantastic doctor who, very reluctantly, prescribed oral steroids (in her private practice she is a qualified nutritionist and said she has seen total cures in people with cases worse than mine, once they follow a low carb/gluten and sugar free diet and begin drinking raw milk and eating fermented foods) I’m currently so depressed about it all I’ve lost all faith in anything. Sorry for the long winded reply, but I don’t know anyone in person who suffers with this. I’d be very grateful if you could Skype me too, I’m back taking the l-glutamine, but finding the iodine now brings me out in an immediate rash. I have tried sulphur soap, raw honey masks, tea tree oil, coconut oil, sea salt washes (which initially cleared my skin completely but now don’t seem to work), aloe Vera and lush dream cream (which some people swear by) I take biotin, high strength b vitamins, a liver cleansing multi vitamin, 2 billion live bacteria and vitamins d3 and k2 daily, along with the l glutamine and hydraulic acid. I am currently waiting for a delivery of high strength zinc supplements and kefir grains. I also oil pull with coconut oil every day. I would gratefully accept any health and advice. Thank you.

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  19. jyll says:

    Not to butt in but for in the meantime, in between time this website has a great spray that keeps the redness/scaliness at bay. I’ve had SD for 20+ yrs and it’s been God sent, in all honesty. I’m not a salesmen nor exaggerator. Check out all the info she provides [LINK REMOVED - CONTACT ME IF YOU NEED IT]

    As a side note, I haven’t noticed a real mention of this offender but I know for sure when I consume hot sauce, ie., Tobasco or Tapatio my skin inflames within a day and takes a few more days to calm down. Andddd… Ayurvedic practice and approach can take you far. Find your dosha and try adhering to their suggestions when it comes to the foods you consume and what you should eliminate. Food combinations. Sleep/water/exercise/sunlight/meditation… To heal oneself we have to address yourself as a whole rather than treat a symptom. Mind/body/soul type deal. Focus on energy. What you put out and what you allow in. Pay attention to the circadian rhythm. Eat foods that are actually in season and such. I stumbled across this site because the perfectionist in me still can’t let go of the thought that there’s an easy, one-size-fits-all not out there. Message of the day (of my life): Find What Works For Me and stick to it. Best wishes to us all

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  20. donna says:

    Another week sebohrreic dermatitis free! (That makes it 3 weeks clear now). My skin feels amazing and hydrated. Doing nothing else but putting a tiny bit of Cetaphyl Restoraderm lotion on my face every morning and every night after washing my face with a gentle cream cleanser (Simple is the brand). I use tepid water- never hot to rinse it off.

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  21. This sounds fascinating. I will buy the Restoraderm and the shampoo. One thing though…As magical as they sound I want to know why they work. The shampoo makes sense because of the organic and fruit based ingredients. I’m just concerned about the Restoraderm in the long term. It does not seem any more natural than other synthetic/artificial/chemical based products out there. In any case it is fantastic that so many people testify to it clearing the skin and I will report my results soon.

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  22. Hi Marcel,

    Thanks for the kind comment.

    It is true that the sun is very good at destroying bacteria. However, it is also very good at drying out skin. This can be especially problematic if the skin is already damaged.

    What I did, was found a gentle sun screen (used one meant for babies). This protected the skin form the sun keeping it from drying out. Yet, it allowed the sun to do it’s job in killing off the bacteria. Additionally the zinc used in most sun screens seems to help malassezia yeast.

    Are you currently attempting any of the treatments?

    Hope that helps. Best of luck.

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  23. Would you put the raw honey mix on your scalp,if so what do you wash out with as it is in your hair and how many parts honey to water do you use? Do you have an example of a whole food shampoo? Do you know where to buy the Cetaphil Res cleanser and lotion?
    I just used a dead sea salt water rinse after a mix of oil of oregano,tea tree,cocoanut,aloe mixture overnite and my scalp derm. seems to finally be a little better. I have been rinsing with a apple cider vinegar water mix as well as drinking apple cider vinegar,honey water mix and liquid aloe vera supplement. I added biotin to my vitamin intake. I just found a leave in conditioning spray that contains sea salt sea kelp and morrocan argon oil. I stopped coloring my hair except with an all natuaral henna . Do you think a henna color is still part of the problem? I had seb.dermititus onboth sides of my scalp .Only one side is back to normal. Do you think brewers yeast supplements would help? I tried mineral oil topically and scraped the crusting like i did with my baby’s cradle cap a long time ago but it did not seem to help. My only symptom is the crusty build up,no itching or flaking. Do you think scraping off the crust helps the condition? Tonite I an going to try a homeade garlic (7-8 cloves)juiced topically i read about. Ive also stared eating 1-2 cloves garlic a day.

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  24. Hi Brazilian Guy,

    Definitely agree with you, as there does appear to be lot's of doctors who don't really have a deep understanding of SD. For general doctors this makes sense as they need to deal with such a wide variety of conditions and topics. However, I have been a little shocked with the lack of detailed understanding dermatologists have in this regard. I wish they provided more information as to what is really going on with the skin, then simply relying on medical textbooks which are lacking any concrete information regarding SD.

    It becomes somewhat hard for people to spend so much time and money on something so mysterious as SD without any social gain. Thus, commercially viable solutions to the issue will always make it to the top. For example, doctors typically prescribe ulcer treatment drugs for ulcers (examples). However, it has long been documented that fresh cabbage juice is powerful enough to heal practically all ulcers (source). And this is one of the most perfect examples for commercial interests taking precedence over effective non-commercial approaches.

    I've actually got quite a large library of SD related research papers and associated topics. Will try to find a way to share this. However, I'm not sure what the legal aspects of sharing scientific papers is (as they cost money). Hopefully there is a way around this.

    Will update you when I have more concrete information. However, if you like for now I would highly recommend trying fresh cabbage juice and drastically increasing consumption of cruciferous vegetables. As they have been documented to increase peptide production, improve cell health, contain potent anti-inflammatory ability, natural source of l-glutamine (cabbage juice specifically) and many other benefits.

    Also I'm thinking of buying a good variety of different products that have worked for others and putting together a sample pack. Perhaps this can help people find the right product for their skin. What do you think of this idea?

    All the best and hope things keep improving. Glad to hear the Restoraderm is helping.

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  25. connor says:

    Hey Michael,
    Is this still your current routine and also are you still SD free? (Hopefully)?

    Today I’ve brought some products to hopefully clear up my SD,

    A bit of background on it is that I’ve had it for around 8 long months and being a 17 year old in year 12 it can take its toll but my SD is weird because I’ve never actually had any of the redness symptons all I get is the yellow greasy skin look.

    I’m going to start using L glutamine in the morning 1 teaspoon
    Range of tablets, eg vitamin C, K2
    Have been gluten free since 7 months ago but going to try dairy free as well now
    Trying to reduce the amount of sugar intake
    Drink 1 tea spoon of ACV
    And hopefully not applying anything to the skin and see if I see any reactions in the next 2 weeks,
    Have you got any tips or suggestions?

    Thanks Connor

    BTW it’s amazing that people witu the condition are able to find out research and information from websites like this. So thank you for creating this website it has benefited me a lot.

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  26. Hey Michael,

    Good to know about cruciferous vegetables, this a motivation to keep eating lots of broccoli as i already do. I read somewhere that some vegetables, such as spinach, were bad for SD, but due to poor information about it i found this really controversial and just ignored it. Do you know something about vegetables that are contraindicated for SD sufferers? About the cabbage juice, i didn’t know that, but makes a lot of sense, i was doing some research about sauerkraut and its benefits to gut issues, have you ever tried?

    I didn’t mention, but i’m facing some weird symptoms since last year and SD came along with them. I’m going to share a bit of my history, i spent last year taking accutane and eating lots of junk, this year was also very stressful - due to professional problems and a disease that is affecting my mother and has bad prognosis. I think the symptoms are related to either stress or accutane/bad food side effects, or (most likely) all of it.

    Since march i have developed joint pain (specially finger joints), an itchy throat, cold sores inside the mouth, genital candidiasis and - in the same weekend that candidiasis appeared - SD came along. I also noticed that my sinus area, specially nose, would get inflamed pretty easy, along with my throat that was constantly itching.

    After all that i got pretty worried, specially after reading about candidiasis, SD and it’s relation to AIDS. I haven’t engaged in risky sexual intercourse for a long time and the HIV test was negative. Solving that i went to many insurance covered doctors that prescribed usual blood tests - that came normal - and tests for many autoimmune diseases - that came negative. Then i decided that i wasn’t going to loose anymore time with these ordinary doctors.

    I remembered that a school friend, after many disappointments, went to a well respected General practitioner that successfully treated him after diagnosing a rare syndrome. I schedule an appointment with this doctor, insurances don’t him and It was expensive, but worth it. The appointment took about an hour, i showed all the recent tests and said everything i could remember. He was really interested in all health problems i ever had and based on my symptoms and my vitamin d low levels he guessed that i was maybe suffering from a magnesium deficiency. In the end he prescribed me a detailed immunological test and some magnesium chloride supplement.

    For some time now i have been eating really healthy and found partial relief in some symptoms, but after taking magnesium for 1 week the joint pain got almost nonexistent and i didn’t face inflammation issues easy as before. After this week My Cd4, Cd8, Cd 19 (and another bunch of cds that i can’t recall) test came back and i went to another appointment. The result was that my immune system is really out of balance, the GP said that based on its current configuration it seems that it’s really a magnesium deficiency which cause we are investigating.

    Well, my magnesium supplement is helping me with my joint pain and chronic inflamation, but, till now, does nothing for my SD (which is also a sort of chronic inflammation?) Anyway, since SD is a symptom of immune deficiency and many SD sufferers usually have other issues related to immune deficiencies i thing this test is worth it. I’m obsessed to balance my immune system, probably this will solve my SD. I just finished a liver flush and plan to start glutamine tomorrow. I also started taking pau d’arco tea, which is known as a great plant for gut issues and fungal infections. It seems to be a long battle, i see some improvements, but the goal is getting back on track,how it used to be.

    The sample pack idea is great, most SD products/approaches aren’t for everyone, but if one tries a bunch of them one is very likely to get good results from at least a few.

    About the library, you could share all the free stuff and point the papers that requires payment for whom might be interest. If one is interest one goes to the website and pays for it.

    Another maybe interesting thing would be to develop a questionnaire with SD related questions. Example: How was your diet before SD? Did you take many antibiotics? Stressful life when SD came? Everyone that visit this page could contribute and increase our knowledge. What you think about that?

    Al the best.

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  27. connor says:

    Also does gluten free bread contain any yeast? And what foods contain yeast? Thanks

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  28. Hi Michael

    Thank you very much for having created this website. I have a SD since last May and I’m really stressed and depressed about it. I’m french so sorry for my english. Could you give me more information about Restoraderm ? It is a moisturer or a cream that washes the face ? Is it this one http://www.beaute-test.com/nettoyant_hydratant_-_restoraderm_cetaphil.php ?

    One more thing: have you heard anything on thermal waters and if it can help us ?

    Once again thank you for what you are doing !

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  29. Hi Antoine,

    Thanks for the feedback. Sorry to hear that. It can be quite an annoying condition.
    Yeah, that is the face wash I’ve been using. Additionally, I would follow up with the moisturiser (http://www.beaute-test.com/emulsion_hydratante_-_restoraderm_cetaphil.php). Ultimately I believe the moisturiser played a bigger role than the wash, however it is really hard to say as I used both.

    As for thermal waters, I’m guessing this is the same as hot springs. Overall they might have some sort of benefit, however I personally doubt that hot springs alone can present a complete cure. I’ve been currently writing a book trying to really understand the skin and SD. Based on some of this research I believe that people with SD simply have issues producing certain antimicrobial compounds required for the control of the fungi which causes the SD. Additionally, certain factors such as overall immunity and the bacterial make-up of ones individual skin both play significant roles in this.

    Lately, I’ve completely stopped washing my face and have started using a product I have created for myself based on some of my research (and testing of different combination of the ingredients found in the Restoraderm products). Overall happy with the results so far, but need a few more weeks to see how things turn out.

    Hopefully that helps and I’ll update once the book is ready. Take care.

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  30. Thank you for being so supportive. In fact, having magnesium deficiency raise the question: “Why do i have magnesium deficiency?” Probably i’m not absorbing enough magnesium because something is wrong with my GI tract. I’m looking forward to solve all my health issues, specially SD. On Monday i went to a otolaryngologist (ear-nose-throat doctor) and after a throat videoscopy he diagnosed the probable cause of my itchy throat, acid reflux (GERD), he prescribed some more texts to be sure, but he also thinks that the best course of action would be to see a gastroenterologist. I already schedule an appointment.

    Meanwhile, i will keep trying things, i know that my SD is much better, but i can’t point why. Good diet? Natural Anti-fungals such as pau d’arco and coconut oil? Restoraderm? Problem they all contribute, the same goes for SD, probably the cause is complex, that is to say, multifactorial.

    Hopefully i’ll be abbe to solve all the issues and solve SD along. Hopefully all of us. We must keep record of what we are doing and share our histories, our success will help others.

    I’ll write again after my appointment with the gastroenterologist.

    All the best!

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  31. Hi Michael,

    I wanted to tell you that I found something called “eau de Quinton” or Quinton Water in english I guess. Basically it is sea water. It is named after a french biologist who cured many diseases by giving people sea water for some days. The results are impressive according to what I found on the internet. It seems very basic said like that but I’m thinking of trying this method. I would have liked to know if you already tried this or if you have ever red something on this cure ? It is not made especially for SD but I think it could help. You will find the Quinton’s theory and researches on internet.

    Hope it can help

    Antoine

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  32. Hi Michael,

    Here is Brazilian guy with a new nickname. I found some information about Lithium gluconate 8% as an effective treatment for seb derm. Have you heard of it?

    These are the articles i found:


    If you are able to read in french you can find more info in french seb derm forums, it seems that many have benefit from lithium gluconate topical solution. In France they sell a product for seb derm called Lithioderm, a commercial name for Lithium gluconate 8%, thats why it’s so popular over there.

    Have you heard about it Antoine?

    All the for all of you!

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  33. Hi Pedro,

    Yeah, I’ve read about it previously. However, I haven’t tried it.
    Here is a snippet that summarizes some of the main research behind it:

    Lithium Salts Both lithium succinate and lithium gluconate have demonstrated effectiveness in treating seborrheic dermatitis, probably due to their anti-inflammatory effects. Lithium succinate 8% ointment was investigated twice-daily (for a total of 8 weeks) and showed significantly greater efficacy than placebo (source). It has also been used successfully in HIV patients with facial seborrheic dermatitis (source). Lithium gluconate 8% ointment used twice-daily was tested in a multicenter, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial in 129 patients (source). After 8 weeks, 29.1% in the lithium group and 3.8% in the placebo group had experienced complete remission. Lithium gluconate 8% ointment used twice-daily was 22% more effective than ketoconazole 2% emulsion used twice-weekly in a randomized study of 288 patients (source).

    Right now I’ve strictly stopped using everything except water to wash my face. Additionally, I made my own ointment based on all the research I’ve been doing and have been using it daily for the last 2-2.5 weeks. So far the results have been fantastic and my skin got a lot of color back (compared to when I was using Restoraderm).

    Additionally, the ointment is even safe for consumption (100% edible and natural). And this was one of my biggest issues with many other products so far, as I’ve always been a little skeptical to what they might be doing long term.

    Would you be interested in giving it a try?
    Here is the label:

    All the best.

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  34. Congratulations man, it looks awesome and i’m definitely interested in giving a try. Just tell me how.

    Restoraderm has helped, but i still have a sort of pinkness around my nose and occasional red pimples. Now i’m noticing that sun may get things worse, pinkness turns to redness and pimples get pretty visible, nevertheless, when i go to the beach it gets so much better that i even forget about seb derm, maybe because of the sea water? I don’t know.

    What i surely know is that seb derm is a very frustrating condition, one day everything is fine and it seems to be gone and shortly after that you face the redness again. But i have hope that we gonna find answers in this community. I’m currently interested in the relation between skin issues and metabolic disorders, hope to find something helpful.

    You are doing an amazing job Michael, i have learned a lot with SkinDrone and don’t waste anymore time reading inconsistent forums.

    All the best!

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  35. Hi Pedro,

    Yes I heard about it mainly on french forums. However I have not tried it yet. I think Michael has given you precise information about it. It seems to be used here when antifongic are not really effective. However like for other treatments you find people saying it is not working very well for them. So it is not the miracle solution expected by all of us. I’m going to see two doctors this week. I hope it will help. Michael, is BIOM 8 the name of your lotion ? I would be interested to try it and to read your book. Another question which is important to me: after all the readings you went through do you think that one day scientists will find a cure for good for this shitty SD ?

    Thank you one more time Michael for all your work !

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  36. Hi Pedro,

    Thanks for the positive feedback. :slight_smile:
    Hopefully it’s effective for others apart from just me. Basically, I analyzed and tried different combinations of the Restoraderm ingredients trying to understand how it was helping. Also studied their pattern and basically what I ended up with, is this ointment.

    Regarding the sun. Not sure what it was, but it seems like something in the Restoraderm may be adding to the uv sensitivity, as I found this as well. Basically, I had to stay try and stay out of the sun for my skin to remain even toned. However, this ointment I actually use as sun tunning oil and it works great. Skin tone got much darker in the past 2.5-3 weeks.

    Yeah, I really think there may be a link to the immune system. But, there are so many factors that come in to play and I believe this is what makes it hard for medical professionals to determine the true cause, as it varies from person to person. In essence, thought it appears that simply something is prevent normal functioning of the immune system, specifically on the oily parts of the skin, and it is not producing everything it needs to protect itself from invaders form colonizing and causing issues.

    Thanks again for the kind words.

    I’m trying to put all my research into a book. Here are 3 chapters that are ready, but still need lots of proof reading and editing:

    Digestion Chapter
    Omega Chapter
    Skin Chapter

    Let me know what you think. All the best mate.
    PS. We had a windstorm here so the packaging of the ointment got delayed. Should have some ready to ship early next week.

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  37. Hi Michael,

    I just red the skin chapter of your book. It is really interesting and well explained although sometimes difficult as english is not my mother tongue. I found your theory particulary interesting, you suggest that Malassezia Globosa is more present in skin touched by Seborreic Dermatitis ? And that some microbes in the skin also have a role ? It triggers so many questions, I wish scientists could search harder on this disease.

    I searched hard for the last two weeks and I found interesting thing. I also contacted a french scientist who has dermatitis seborreic and used to work for a pharmaceutical lab in Switzerland. He published some study on the seborreic dermatitis and found a way to control it with two products: “massada pain dermatologique” and “massada crème”. I precise that I’m not a scientist nor a doctor and I have not tried these products. The name of this guy is Bernard Sudan. If you read french you can find what he published on seborreic dermatitis and what he thinks of it. Basically he thinks that it is related to some sort of allergy as histamine has been found on seborreic dermatitis skin. He also argues that Lithioderm or sea water is effective to help because salty water restore the conduction between some skin cells (I’m not capable to translate their names nor to explain more into details the mechanism of Sudan’s theory as it is technical and once again I’m not a doctor). But I found his theory interesting because he also mentionned Cetaphil, vineagae or Pytrithione de Zinc saying that these products help to restore conductivty between skin cells.

    I am sorry I think it is a bit confused but I want to share this information with you. What he explained makes sense to me and I just hope that we will finally find a cure for this shitty disease.

    All the best,

    Antoine

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  38. Hi Jamie,
    Thanks! Sorry to hear that.
    You can find it at www.biom8.com and use the coupon code “skindrone” for $10 off.

    All the best.

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  39. Hey Michael,

    I Just read the Omega and the Skin Chapter, i will read the digestive chapter tomorrow, just before my appointment with the gastroenterologist. After the first reading i can tell that you successfully covered a wide range of aspects that are related to seb derm. The Omega chapter raised my awareness of something that i recently read, an article about the omega 6 omega 3 ratio affirming that for those with “junk” eating habits this ratio is around 50:1. The skin chapter raised many doubts and questions, i would like to have more information, to go further, but i don’t know if going further in your chapter is the case, since when you finished the book the references of the studies are going to be there and i believe that your primary goal is to wright something accessible.

    According to what you have written it seems that our sebum is lacking in something that protects it from consumption by foreign bacteria/fungi. That’s why one of the approaches consists in stopping sebum production, that’s why when i apply zinc oxide in the affected areas i wake up with a clear skin, but after some hours some of the redness is back. Zinc oxide is not only anti-fungal, but also dries out skin.

    I want to purchase the ointment, but i need to ask a favor, Could you send me as an individual? Not as a company. Brazilian government taxes everything and if you send me as a company a 60% tax over the product may apply. You could send me as a gift with a small letter, saying something like “Hey my friend, this is the new ointment i just made, give it a try.” But of course i’m going to pay for it.

    Again, congratulations for all the work, i’m looking forward to test BIOM8. By the way, how did you create this name? What does it mean? Although BIO is quite clear i can’t figure out the whole idea behind BIOM8.

    All the best

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  40. One thought i forget to mention, would the tingling/itching sensation be a result of the fungi feeding from our sebum? Because normally these sensations are followed by a redness increase .

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  41. One Last thing, Caprylic acid is a well known natural antifungal, theres a lady in youtube that claims that to keep her SD under control she must take a Caprylic acid before a meal on a daily basis. But what about Decanoic Oil? Why did you ended up with this formula?

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  42. I tried to use the coupon to purchase the BIOM8 and it said that “Coupon usage limit has been reached.” It’s my first purchase, how can that be?

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  43. sherry says:

    Hi Michael

    It’s been my understanding that anyone with seb derm should only be using OIL FREE products. I was wondering about that in your product. Could you please list all the ingredients used in it? How does it effect people with acne prone skin?

    Thanks so much for all your information.

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  44. Hi Everyone,

    Sorry for the late reply. I think I will give a try to Biom8 Michael but I’m trying some treatment at the moment. Hope it will help. My dermatologist prescribed me Lithioderm 8%. I will try it if my current treatment does not work. I’m applying a cream “Kelual DS”, I try to watch carefully what I eat and I started a Quinton Isotonic treatment. I red some of Quinton’s work. And he cured people by using sea water. I know it can sounds crazy but I want to give it a try.

    Pedro for Sudan’s theory and articles I give you some links. I checked again what he said on french forums and apparently for him, Restoraderm, Vineagar and salt water are all electrolitic solution. It makes sense to me especially in line with Quiton’s theory.

    Website of Bernard Sudan: http://www.dermiteseborrheique.net/les-traitements-actuels/

    Article of Sudan with many links to publication related to SD: http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/bernard-sudan/260712/les-coups-tordus-de-la-recherche-en-medecine-1-la-dermite-seborrheiqu

    And finally two links towards the products that he recommends to treat SD (I have not tried them):

    -http://www.amazon.fr/gp/aw/d/B004GUP1CW/ref=pd_aw_sim_121_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0AG49HTK4H02VQ6DCT03

    I emailed him. His protocol is: washing your face everyday with “Massada Pain Dermatologique”, let the soap for about two minutes on the skin. Then rince and apply the cream Massada. He also says that it can take from 2-3 days to two weeks to see an improvement.

    I hope it can help some of us. I have not tried this yet but I ordered the two products.

    Good luck to the community in our fight against this SD. And thank you Michael for this website. It really helps. However I would be happy not to come back one day ?

    Antoine

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  45. Hi Antoine,

    Thanks for all the details. I'm still struggling to find much work from Sudan. The only published stuff I could find was about seborrheic dermatitis and nicotine. However, this connection has been documented by several others as well. Let me know if you come across any specific articles.

    As for the protocol, I personally have a different approach. Currently I've stopped washing my face with anything except water. Then apply the a tiny bit of Biom8 and that's it. So far my skin has been absolutely free from SD for about 3-4 weeks. Good skin color has also returned. However, I'm really interested in hearing back from community about this approach (feedback should start coming in the next few weeks).

    I strongly believe that part of the issue is the skin not being able to properly synthesis several key fatty acids it requires to maintain a healthy environment. Part of this problem comes from inside and part of it occurs at a genetic level right at the skin. So, even though washing the face may aid in the removal of the malassezia and it's metabolites and result in relief, this approach must be consistently maintained similar to anti-fungal washes. I believe the key for long term remission is repairing the normal functioning of the skin and allowing it to basically catch up with what it needs to be doing. This is being covered in great detail in the book I'm working on.

    As for the soap, I've used several similar soaps (dead sea and clay), but all soap I've tested has always stripped my skin and I never managed to sustain any of the results.

    The seborrheic dermatitis chapter is almost ready. Will update with a draft copy of it soon.

    All the best.

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  46. sherry says:

    Hi Michaell

    I’ve been using Promiseb for years which has very simple ingredients in it and I believe that the Shea butter in it has very beneficial. Sure hope your new product works!!! I look forward to hearing more of your experience with it as time goes by.

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  47. jamie says:

    Hi Michael,

    Thanks for sharing your biom8 invention with the community.

    Can I mix the biom8 oil with oregano oil or tea tree oil?

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  48. jamie says:

    Thanks for your kind reply. I was checking out the ingredients in biom8. Seabuckthorn seed oil is an interesting oil. However I read the oleic acid may worsen SD and Seabuckthorn seed/berry oil contains 10-13% oleic acid. Please pardon me if I have provided any inaccurate info as this was taken from the Internet.

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  49. jenn says:

    Hi Michael,

    Tried to use the skindrone $10 off coupon for biom8 and it’s not working. Is there another method?
    Thanks!

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